Former professor James Nestingen has long been a pricking thorn in the side of the ELCA.
Perhaps his deep seated resentment goes back to the formation of the ELCA a generation ago when the new constitution mandated gender, laity, and racial quotas for voting members–those most likely to be included are the manageable, those eager to please–instead of the elites–those with wisdom, fidelity and zeal (emphasis mine but the words are his).
Perhaps it was the full communion agreement with the Episcopal church more than a decade ago, when he was instrumental in the formation of the WordAlone Network whose initial raison d’être was resistance to the Episcopal dilution of Lutheran confessional purity.
Perhaps it was his failed candidacy for ELCA presiding bishop at the 2001 Church wide assembly when he received approximately 22% of the vote. Ironically, his concession speech included a call to unity; “fraction is terrible”, he said then. How quickly he forgets.
Perhaps the murky circumstances of his early retirement from his tenured professorship at Luther Seminary a few years ago have grated upon his grudges.
Whatever the reason, he continues to spew foul drivel that stretches the truth. I blogged earlier about his “whoppers”, but they keep on a’comin’. A hat tip to Both Saint and Cynic for pointing out Nestingen’s latest missive, which I then found on WordAlone’s website in their latest newsletter.
Nestingen starts in a familiar place, the recurring mischaracterization and diminution of the Biblical interpretation of those who support the revised ELCA policies regarding gay clergy. He suggests, per usual, that the ELCA is now “in direct opposition to God’s biblical Word,” again dismissing, not merely the exegetical abilities of many, but the very legitimacy of the ethical discernment of his opponents. It’s as if he says, if you don’t read the Bible my way, then you don’t read the Bible. Then, in a perverse twist of logic, Nestingen suggests it is he who supports the ECLA constitution against the unconstitutional decision of the ELCA voting members (well, maybe it’s not twisted logic; if the constitution is flawed for its inclusivity, then it follows that the flawed voting members would reach a flawed decision). Using one of his favorite words, Nestingen suggests that he and his ilk have been “unchurched” by the unconstitutional actions of CWA09.
Nestingen then jumps into a discussion of “the office of the keys” and “binding and loosing”, the idea of naming and judging sin: “pastors must be free to use the power of the keys to bind and loose—to challenge inappropriate behaviors and forgive the penitent,” Nestingen writes. Is this the crux of the matter? Curtailment of the pastor’s prerogative to judge and condemn?
Nestingen was against the constitution before he was for it, but then he turned against it again.
“[T]he assembly action must be rejected,” he states, and he offers two modes of resistance.
The first is not unconstitutional but redundant. He suggests congregations amend their constitution and bylaws to ensure that their congregation will not call gay clergy or bless same gender relationships. Ok, fine, but that is already the congregational prerogative, and such constitutional amendments or bylaws do not increase the “local option” policies already in effect.
Nestingen’s second proposal is more onerous … the wedge policy of withholding financial support of the ELCA. Even Nestingen allows that this is a questionable practice, “Withholding funds is an inherently scattershot form of resistance that instead of focusing on the particulars diffuses into all aspects of the church’s activities,” but he quickly overcomes his own objections because “the ELCA is particularly vulnerable at this point,” and he concludes that a financial boycott is warranted. His end justifies his means.
While some individuals and congregations would leave the ELCA, Nestingen apparently plans to stay and to continue as a pricking thorn irritant. Whoopee. At least I’ll have plenty of fodder for my blog.
Good post Obie, you are so right on! Thankfully, outside of Midwest Lutheranism Nestingen is considered marginal at best. Outside of Midwest Lutheranism the best response one will get from most people when his name is mentioned is a snicker. Most non-Luther Seminary grads see through his fake Norwegian accent (that disappears when off stage) and his folksy story telling. Unfortunately he appeals to the Word Aloners. Like most politicians I suspect he often forgets what he says from one speech to the next, he is not very consistent.
Obie-
Thanks for writing this. I read the WordAlone newsletter earlier this week, and nearly wrote a response myself. But I just didn’t have it in me and I chucked it into the recycle bin. I’ll retweet yours instead.
+Erik
I think a lot of this did start way back at the formation of the ELCA when a lot of old white guys lost a lot of power.
By VCR, Dr. Nestingen welcomed my wife and me into the Lutheran Church in 2004. In 2007, Dr. Nestinging predicted there was “trouble coming down the road” for the ELCA. As new Lutherans, we had no idea what he was talking about. Now we see Dr. Nestingen was right! Like the Pharaoh of Egypt, who had his mind/heart hardened by God, so to are the minds of 2/3 of the ELCA. Thanks be to our “Sole” Savior, Christ Jesus.
Gilbert Alphin
Kure Beach, NC
I wish Nestingen would have been able to stay where he was at the seminary. I don’t know the circumstances of his leaving there. He wrote good Bible studies that were published in Lutheran Women Today. They were easy to lead and we learned a lot. Saying that , I am disgusted with some of the things he has written on the Word Alone Site. Could this be age related ?
Gilbert,
What the heck do you mean by the “Sole” Savior comment?
The Senior pastor of a congregation that voted this month to leave told a member before the second vote that it was a well known “fact” that the reason the resolution’s passed in August was because the Chicago office had a large percentage of “gays.”
Then when I read Nestingen’s comments in support of finanial withdrawal from the ELCA because of it’s “vulnerability,” any empathy I have had for Word Alone (aka No Grace LCMC/NALC) has quickly evaporated. As a missionary for the ELCA, the direct pain this causes our partnerships is irrevocable. I hear and read that all this bloodletting is for the sake of “mission.”
It will be interesting to see five to ten years down the road, how much “mission” these pastors and congregations have truly accomplished. Thank you Obie for your blog.
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks for your reply. Not knowing were you are on “your” faith journey; I’ll try to clarify my understanding or better yet, my relationship with – Our – “Sole” Savior in this limited space. I like the word “Our” because that is how Jesus describes God to us. “Our Father who art in Heaven…” The fourth chapter of the Fourth Gospel tells a story of women outsider, non-Jewish, and Jesus sitting by a well. She is about to draw ‘her’ water. As the story goes, Jesus describes Himself as Living Water, relating to eternal life which starts here on earth. Jesus admires the women for telling the truth about her marital status. The woman is happy to hear this Good News.
From my studies at the “School of Hard Knocks”, I’ve lived a life outside the Christian Faith. Over the years I learned faith is a “gift from God”. I’m willing to state, “It’s very special when the “Mystery of Faith” is revealed to someone.” Being allegorical “the other waters” of the world are out there. I wish everyone’s walk to “his or her” gift is an easy walk. It can be!
Blessing to you.
Gilbert
(What the heck do you mean by the “Sole” Savior comment?)
In my first comments there was suppose to be a line space between the main body and my farewell exit. Perhaps that helps to clear things up. If not you might wish to read up on the Pharaoh’s domed dilemma in the Exodus 1 – 20 and Romans chapter 1:26 “…God gave them over…”.
Peace!
Gilbert
Gilbert, I am an ordained Lutheran pastor and my journey is a daily thing. Some days it is an easy walk, and others not so easy.
Here is my issue with what you wrote and are implying.
While I am still struggling with the CWA vote, I do not believe those who voted for the change had a hardening of heart.
Are you comparing those voters at CWA to the Pharaoh?
Pharaoh was not a follower of God, so are you saying those voters are now non-believers over this ONE ISSUE?
And if you speak this as well as write it, then you are breaking the 8th commandment by bearing false witness AND refusing to lift up your neighbor.
Is this ONE ISSUE so important to you that you are willing to do that?
As to Romans 1:26, do not forget the reason God gave the “fools” (1:22) up was because they turned away from God and started to worship false idols (images resembling a mortal human, birds, animals, reptiles (1:23). It was the worshiping of false idols that lead to the sin you are obviously pointing to in verse 26. But don’t forget the other sins listed in verses 28-32. And I would argue that we ALL fall into those sins listed.
We have turned this ONE ISSUE into an idol. We have focused so much attention on WHO is fit to preach that we have forgotten WHAT we preach and HOW we preach it.
And I am especially upset with Nestingen who publicly advocates the financial KILLING of the ELCA.
Is this ONE ISSUE so vital that it an entire denomination has to suffer or die?
And if you, Gilbert, or any others say “yes” to that last question, than you have broken yet ANOTHER commandment. Remember, Luther said that we can kill both physically and mentally. And, I would argue, we can add financially to that list.
My one prayer is we find common ground again under the cross of Jesus Christ. We have wasted enough of God’s time. Let’s get to the work of God.
Obie, I apologize for going on so long. I appreciate your forum.
Couldn’t agree more. This issue shouldn’t trump decades of relationships for some people, yet it has.
Hello Pastor Jonathan,
“Waiting on the Lord”. I’m with you when you say “I’m struggling with this issue.” You have my highest support! Last September I resigned from my church’s council and joined another ELCA church that is not bowing down to the CWA. I’ll try to answer and stay focused on what you have asked.
“… CWA09 to the Pharaoh”? Yes!! “Non-believers”, I don’t know? Jesus is in the rescuing business. I too once a non-believer. 8th commandment? It hard for me to try to correct someone for an error when knowing very well I too make errors. Do I want a denomination to suffer and die? Well, I wish the ELCA would drop the “L” and “C” out of its name. The “A” in ELCA is not a faith then let everyone continue meeting under some other title.
Observing the 8th commandment I entered this blog to defend Dr. Nestingen. When I watch that first video of his back in 2004, I knew his comments; “The Lutheran Proposal of Worship” would always stick with me. I have lived in America all my life were freedom of religion is a big thing. How did I ever get so lost? I attended other churches that were not as objective and structured as Dr. Nestingen’s explanation of Lutheranism. Studying Luther’s small catechism and most importantly, the “What does this mean” parts, offered great Biblical structured and especially, stability.
Comparing the “mind warping stories” like the Pharaoh of Exodus, Romans 1:26, Old Testaments battles where God put confusion in the minds of His enemies, all of those frighten me. HAY GILBERT! THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU TOO! In the Lord’s Prayer, “Lead Gilbert not into temptation” was a bundle of trouble for me. The intro to epistles of James 1:13 released much of my fears but ever week of every year I had to say that same request. Martin Luther explanation of the “Sixth Petition” in the small catechism of the Lord’s Prayer goes further to instruct, and in my case, comfort!
For me, the CWA of 2009 as put “porno” in the pulpit. That may sound ignorant and cold for a sinner like myself, but that’s how I feel! For me, not all are gifted for the pulpit. On the other side, the alter is open to “all” who wish to experience repentance with the “Real Presence of Christ” and countless healings.
As you can see I have gone to far in this blog for my support for Dr. Nestingen. If you wish to you can email me at gilbert@blue-marlin.com I have got to go!
Have a nice day!
Gilbert
Long ago I heard someone say that we don’t have to defend God, He is big enough to do it Himself. Yet this is what I see in the writings of the religious right including the Word Alone and allied groups. Thank you Jonathan for bringing us back to the Cross and what it stands for.
On the home front, we visited the local UCC church and last Sunday my husband joined their choir. I didn’t make it to church Sunday. When my husband returned home, the look on his face and the look in his eyes told me that he had “returned home” spiritually and this is where he wants to be. I am still “wandering in the the wilderness” but I think that I best join him in his journey. We aren’t getting any younger.
I agree with you, Gilbert. Once you say the CWA put “porno in the pulpit” you have gone too far. Again, you need to go back and study the Catechism.
Oh, and your new church never had to “bow down” to the ELCA. My goodness, you make the ELCA sound like the Evil Empire from Star Wars.
You could have and should have defended Dr. Nestingen without comparing the ELCA to the Pharaoh, the Adult Film Industry, and a scare entity that makes churches “bow down” to it.
In the future, I urge you to talk about how Nestingen’s teaching helped you realize God’s grace and leave it at that.
Good Morning Pastor Jonathan, Lilly and Obie,
I’ll have to get back to this evening.
Take care,
Gilbert
With the news of the gay bashing in Uganda, we have to really think what could happen here if things get out of hand.
One reason I am on this side of the issue is because my son-in-law transgendered about 6 years ago leaving 2 of my grandchildren with a transgendered dad that lives with another transgendered person. I can not advocate for them because of the heartache it put my daughter through but I do not want to condemn them. I want to belong to a church that would be open to the glbt people should my x son in law want to become a Christian again. Right now she is interested in Wicca.
Pastor Jonathan and Lilly,
Not sure were to go with blog. There are so many issues here. After last night inspiring Lenten Service I came home and check my computer. I read Pastor Jonathan recommendations for me. The “porno” I was referring to was the Greek word “porne’ia”. Nothing to do with porn movies. Did you think I was talking about a church skit in the pulpit? Pastor if you have a lexicon I recommend that you go back and review the ancient history of the word “porn” and its many destructive forms and usages. When I got in tonight I read Lilly comments. Somehow I’m wondering if both Pastor and Lilly comments are products of each another? I’m certainly not bashing anyone. Pastor Jonathan is not my pastor and I certainly would not want him to be. The pain and hurt that robbing Lilly’s family hurts me too.
Farwell!!
Gilbert
No Gilbert, I have never met Jonathan but if I knew where his church was and it was close enough, I might go. LCMC and Lutheran CORE have come to this town and the surrounding area. This community is pretty far from any of the cities that have any kind of organized gay community. But I used to live in an urban area and was stunned by the number of gay and lesbian friends that turned out to have been childhood classmates of my kids. One lesbian is the daughter of one of the most active Lutheran families in my former church. Did the ELCA have anything to do with her lifestyle ? No,unless she got tired of all the church things they did. I starting to think that all that nuclear testing we had back in the ’50s and the many environmental hazards we grew up with changed some genes just as it appears may have happpened with autism. Or maybe it is just the influence of Hollywood and the internet.
Mr. Folksy slips through his talks (and written ramblings) with the grease of a master sophist. With his Latin love, Ad Hominem, at his side he slams his historical opponent Erasmus with glee while flinging Theological concepts with good ole boy abandon. At the 35-minute mark in his online video about Luther’s Bondage of the Will he derides the use of analogy to teach Scripture. Matt 13: 10-17 can shed some light on his pretentious parabolic protestations. Seems like the ears and eyes of James from the boondocks are having trouble focusing on at least a few Wordsalone. It is time for an intervention to redress J. Arne-Bob’s Luther-at-his-core correlations and maybe even let Christ have a few words in. “For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes.” Jim from the Nort – is missing what’s in between the words and law: the two things he can spew in proof texting chunks. With all the farm work I am sure he did as a lad in up dere, you would think calluses would be on his hands not his covering his ears, eyes and heart. Yes, comparisons can simplify God’s word too much, but James of the flat earth sheepishly uses ‘common sense’ colloquialisms to dodge reason and then pumps up his professorial ‘scholarship’ to end discussions. So here is the question I have for Jimmy yokel: we should know what he wants us to know or know more than him about everything ‘written’ to be good Christians? James born of Fighting Siouxlessland I will compare my hillbilly to your homespun any day. Bulk up your Luther and Bible truth skimming too-because Christian infused Reasonageddon is coming your way: Bible slickness will finally meet its end times – by words alone – mine and those others who faithfully cherish God’s gift of reason.
Maybe if the ELCA listened more to Nestigen and Braaten and Benne and less to wobbly talk about bound conscience from Wengert the ELCA would not be spiraling down to the 3.5 million mark in a few years.
Thought provoking comments. I know many of the players in both ELCA and NALC, CORE, et al….
The Appleton paper has been reporting on a trial of a Methodist minister who married a lesbian couple. The council trying her could not prove that she was a practicing homosexual so that part got dropped. Could it be that we will now get a MCMC ?
@Lilly
Lilly,
It is an interesting situation. I was at three UMC Conventions recently, including last week in Wisconsin where I renewed an acquaintance with Amy DeLong, the UMC pastor on trial. She and her supporters are strong. If you or others are on Facebook, search for “Love on Trial” for constant updates.
I think she came out of it with just a “slap on the wrist”. This is bound to be an issue among the more conservative Methodists though– is it not ? I am wondering how having this trial in this area will affect the Lutherans who are still undecided ? On TV they interviewed a Methodist minister from my more or less home area where three small Lutheran churches just joined LCMC. They have also found members in adjoining parishes.
I will check out Facebook.
Just an FYI, Obie: Jim was NOT involved in the formation of WA. Other sem profs were, but Jim steered clear of it for 2 or 3 years, when he addressed us once. To the best of my knowledge, he never did join. True, the ideas about CA 7 were consonant with his, but not exactly the same on other issues. Rather, it was folks like Mark Kolden, Skip Sundberg, the late Jim Burtness & Mike Rogness (all of Luther) and Tim Huffman (of Trinity) who were “instrumental in the formation of the WordAlone Network.”
Blessings
Tony
@Tony Stoutenburg
Hi Tony, How is everything in “Muskyville “? I personally always liked James Nestigen’s writings. He did some women’s Bible studies for Lutheran Woman Today.
I am more or less happy as a member of the Clintonville Faith Lutheran Chapel and I hope we will succeed in giving people a choice between 3 more or less strict Lutheran churches and one that may be more accepting. My struggle right now is this: Do we have to accept Old Testament Jewish laws as our definition of sin or can we follow more the kind and loving message of Jesus- Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone ? I am picking the latter to follow right now but my old German/Norwegian background keeps interfering.
Dr. Nestingen’s opinion is out of line because he claims that his opinion is biblical and the other is not. You reject it because it is exclusive. He should say all opinions are valid? Yet you yourself are not even willing to admit that!